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Arielko, how did you manage to send your question. I submit a message underneath the text “submit an observation” with a click on the ‘send’ button and then I see a message ‘sending’ while the send button is made less bright and …. it stays that way. It looks like nothing has been sent. Did you do it differently?
Thank you arielko. I now understand the sundog and parhelic circle. Great to hear you even sent more images. That can only help identify what’s observed. The only thing I am not sure of is which combinations of images are taken on one day. I assume that 1 and 2 are taken on one day and that 3, 4 and 5 are also taken on one day. Is that right?
I know about the tool to simulate the appearance of a UTA with the height of the sun. Atoptics is one of my favorite sites about optical phenomena. There is also a German site meteoros.de on which you can simulate more halo appearances depending on the height of the sun. These simulations are fantastic to play with to verify thoughts.
I think you have a point about the form that seems to be different from the possible forms of a UTA. Also the colorless is something that makes it different imo.
I know that Alec, who answered to your question, once was a regular user of the Forum before he left the Forum to spend more time on the halo phenomena you can find on the halo vault. I had some wonderful discussions with him (and others) and he also learned me very useful and practical things about halos and checking images on them. I think he must be able to check our discussion over here, since he is still a member. I am not sure if he wants to do so, but I think it would be much easier to discuss directly. This is not a straight answer to your last question of course, but overthinking this, I will try to address him myself via the halo vault and try to seduce him to read our discussion here. To be continued. Wish me luck:)
Thank you arielko. Great to hear you already have an answer from Alec. And to be honest I expected more and I have some questions about his answer.
First of all a 9 degrees and 18 degrees halo isn’t that common in my opinion (I still hope to spot one sometime), but I know that the halo vault ususally is about far more rare pheneomena. In my opinion the 9 and 18 degrees halo are already a very nice catch. So far so good.
Anyway, he also sees a sundog and part of a parheleic circle on one of the images and that surprises me since I can’t find them. I wonder on which image they are supposed to be. Btw: a parhelic circle isn’t limited to occur in certain parts of the hemispheres. I hope you may spot it sometime also in western Massachusets.
I agree with Alec on the hexagobal looking halo (the last one above). That one is just a normal 22 degrees halo I think.
I may be stubborn but where Alec sees a upper tangent arc I want to note that a UTA must touch the 22 degrees halo and on image 3 ans 4 I see a distance between the top halo and the circle underneath. I don’t have the tools to distinguish a 18 degrees halo from a 22 or 23 degrees halo, so here I can’t be sure. That is particularly the case for image 5. On number 5 I can’t figure out the distance from the sun measured in degrees of what I see there. It is this one that might have been special. What I want to say here is that a UTA is possible, but I suspect just this one to be a rare 23 plate parhelion. Note that it is colorless where a UTA usually shows rather bright colors.
I would like to discuss the images a bit more and to know the analysis per image. But here I must stop. Too many questions we both can’t answer. Sill, the images keep intriguing me. Thanks for sharing them and for sharing the answers you got. The only possible thing left to do is to send my answers to Alec and when you do so, please excuse for being stubborn.
Hans
I think you are right Ximing Chen, these are anti-crepuscular rays. They converge to the anti-solar point behind the horizon. Well spotted!
Your latest 22 degrees halo looks normal to me although there may be (also here) a 9 degrees halo.
I look forward for the answers from The Halo Vault about your images. I hope you want to share it here. Good luck!
Here is the link: http://www.thehalovault.blogspot.com/
Great my answer above has been posted eventually. A former version of a reply just disappeared. So I will try to go on bit by bit. I want to advise you to submit your images via website where I know that they will be able to classify what you photographed.
Hello Arielko, I have trouble to post an answer to your intriguing question about – what I think – are very rare halos. Here are two links with info about what I think you saw: https://atoptics.co.uk/halo/pyrhalo.htm and https://atoptics.co.uk/halo/pyrpars.htm.
I see the likeness, Ruth. Keelin, with Up, Up And Away you must have foreseen the post by Duncan. Must be wonderful to be among the clouds, Duncan.
Wild Sky
Mamma mia, that is some marvelous mamma above from you both, Ruth and Michael. Very special.
Here fallstreaks make a upside down insect.
Crawling The Ceiling
I agree with Gregory, Ramona, that mamma can develop isolated in all kind of situations and not necessary underneath an anvil of a leaving cumulonimbus.
Here is one of my examples.
And my last one is mamma that develop in the streaks of a fallstreak hole. Very peculiar.
I was for too long absent in this topic, but be sure I enjoyed every post. There are so many marvelous vista’s to admire. Looks Atomic, posted by Ruth in March, is amazing as is Basking In The Warmth by Keelin. Both so different and both equally beautiful in their own ways.
Gregory, your Hauntingly Beautiful is indeed what the title says. I love the composition of foreground with this decaying roll cloud above. I wish you lots of success with your plans. Next one must be for you.
Heralding Change
